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notascot



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: racial assimilation  Reply with quote

Up the road from here is a suburban shopping centre about 15 -20 shops in a row with the usual mix Newsagent, supermarket, pizza joint, chinese restaurant, bakery, butcher, fruiterer, chemist  & a few others. Directly across the road from it are 2 primary schools & about 1/4 mile down the road a huge War Vets retirement village.

A few years ago the bakery was taken over by a Vietnamese couple & is now a Continental Patisserie as well as a bakery. Hubby is Vietnamese born but brought up here, he is baker & very very good. Wife is Oz born with viet parents. She is one of these slim serene looking asians who appear to glide rather than walk, slim, extremely good looking always look immaculate with long dark hair tied back. You know the type.

When they bought the shop they added 1/2 a dozen tables & a coffee machine. They cater for kids "play-pieces" & mums' elevenses as well as selling freshly baked bread etc. BUT during the day the guys from the War Vets home appear. These are guys' ages range form mid 60s to 90s. Lots of them ride electric scooters up to shops ( I have watched them drag racing up the road on them).

I usually manage to drop in after my "keep-fit" walk for a fresh croissant & a coffee to make sure my walk doesn't do me too much good.

One day I noticed Vian, the lady owner, re-arranging goodies in the glass fronted counter. Being a nosey bugger I asked her why.

She told me that by 9:30 they knew what was selling well that day & what wasnt, so she put the slow sellers on the bottom shelves of their counter. I said isnt that a bit silly!. She laughed & said NO. The old vets would always ask for things on bottom shelf so they could get a flash of her boobs as she leant over to get them (cunning bast ards these vets!). She suggested I watched. She was right nearly all did. After she had served some of them she gave me a huge wink.

If ever a lady was fully assimilated it is her.

She is also an extemely nice lady.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

assimilation?
Aye yir right in a wey, coz thit's a real Aussie Sheila wey uv makin a quick buck.
Laughing
Yea kuid write a paper on ut anaw thirs exploitation, fra a couple uv angles a
sum intergration 'n plain auld fashioned opportunism.

Smart ruthless Lady yea have thir. Ah wudnae get in hur wey.
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notascot



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you're right up to a point Fey. But who exploited who? Look on it as a Win Win situation

Vian may look asian but is Oz in every way. This is one of the very few countries I have been where assimilation is based on attitude not  dependent on the way people look.  

Her dad was a translator at Nui Dat with Anzac forces & when we pulled out we brought him & his family here.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notascot wrote:
 

Her dad was a translator at Nui Dat with Anzac forces & when we pulled out we brought him & his family here.


It's going off a topic a bit, but......

I keep forgetting that Australian and NZ forces were in Vietnam (and that - pro rata - their fatality rates were much, much higher than the US's.)

There used to be an American Vietnam veteran (he'd been a pilot) running my local pub for a while. He was forever going on about it and couldn't seem to understand that the Vietnam war had been massively controversial all round the world and extremely unpopular here.

Mair recently, I was talking tae a forty-something year auld (ower young tae remember maybe) American whit wiz ower here, and he also didnae seem aware o' the controversy.

I've been tae Oz a coupla times, but the matter has never come up in conversation. Whit's attitudes tae it a' noo?

And, if ye dinnae mind bein' asked, wiz you there? Gonnae tell us a bit aboot it?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would think, given the vast number of movies made on the Vietnam War, knowledge of the era and events would be rife:

Apocalypse Now, Platoon, The Deer Hunter, Hamburger Hill, Forrest Gump, Full Metal Jacket, Good Morning, Vietnam, Born on the Fourth of July, the Rambo films, We Were Soldiers, and Jacob's Ladder.

And of course, there's that iconic image I certainly can't get out of my head, of the little girl burned and screaming.

Some time ago I asked one young American (20s), who was supporting the Iraq War, had his country and people learned nothing from Vietnam? He'd never heard of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That wis Kim Phuc.

She survived and I mind o' seeing her interviewed when she wis a really bonny 20-something medical student. She said that, out of all the photographers present, one didn't take pictures and instead threw water over the kids.

She had to give up her studies because she couldn't cope with the continuing pain of her burns, and her family couldn't afford painkillers.

Here's a more recent picture







(I couldn't upload the picture Senga mentioned. There seems to be a block - for sensible reasons - on pictures showing naked children.)
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Boudleaux C Merkin



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody who's seen that horrible picture just once will never forget it. It's a pity that it's not allowed, everybody should be reminded now and then how nasty mankind can be to mankind and that iconic photograph speaks volumes.
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dosser



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's loads of stuff about Kim Phuc on YouTube. She lives in Canada now and does a lot of public speaking and campaigning for peace.

On the programme I saw when she was just in her early twenties, her mother was worried that, because if her injuries, she'd never find a husband.

She's 46 now and seems to have a couple of children so, hopefully, after a hellish start, she's had some happiness in her life.
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notanimby



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah hope she kin take strenth inra fact that even with her terrible injuries, her pikchur huz affected millyins.
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notascot



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dosser wrote:
notascot wrote:
 

Her dad was a translator at Nui Dat with Anzac forces & when we pulled out we brought him & his family here.


It's going off a topic a bit, but......

I keep forgetting that Australian and NZ forces were in Vietnam (and that - pro rata - their fatality rates were much, much higher than the US's.)


I've been tae Oz a coupla times, but the matter has never come up in conversation. Whit's attitudes tae it a' noo?

And, if ye dinnae mind bein' asked, wiz you there? Gonnae tell us a bit aboot it?


Attitude here is that the war was a mistake but that we are very proud of our soldiers &  what they did there, you can see that in the ANZAC day marches. see as an example the battle of Long Tan

http://www.anzacday.org.au/history/vietnam/longtan.html

As a side note to that battle the Vietnamese have allowed only 2 war memorials to foreign troops in Vietnam one to the French at Dien Bien Phu & the other at Long Tan to the Australians



I  think people are trying to make up for all the jibes & accusations made to our returning troops. As the Prime Minister said If you have a beef take it out on me & the government,  not the troops. They were doing as they were ordered & did it magnificently.

Luckily my birthday wasn't chosen & I missed out but quite a few of my friends went. The main difference between us & the Americans  is that our guys, ANZ, had 11 months  training in jungle fighting before being shipped over. It made a difference.
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ayrshiretattie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notascot wrote:
I  think people are trying to make up for all the jibes & accusations made to our returning troops. As the Prime Minister said If you have a beef take it out on me & the government,  not the troops. They were doing as they were ordered & did it magnificently.


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Have said it before & I'll say it again - Oz may just be the most sensible damn place on the planet.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SengaMcp wrote:
Some time ago I asked one young American (20s), who was supporting the Iraq War, had his country and people learned nothing from Vietnam? He'd never heard of it.


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I should be shocked and surprised at this...but you're speaking of a young American, so I'm not shocked or surprised.

Far, far too many of them are quite frighteningly ignorant.
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notascot



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ayrshiretattie wrote:
SengaMcp wrote:
Some time ago I asked one young American (20s), who was supporting the Iraq War, had his country and people learned nothing from Vietnam? He'd never heard of it.


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I should be shocked and surprised at this...but you're speaking of a young American, so I'm not shocked or surprised.

Far, far too many of them are quite frighteningly ignorant.


Unfortunately same can be said about a lot of countries not just US
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dosser



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notascot wrote:


Unfortunately same can be said about a lot of countries not just US


I had a wee break in Tunisia wan April. I came across this wee monument and could make oot that it wiz tae locals whit hud died in the struggle to get independence from France, but there was no date on it.

Anyways, I get intae a taxi and ask the driver, "When did the French leave Tunisia?"

He looks puzzled and says, "When did they leave.......? They don't normally start arriving until August."

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