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ayrshiretattie

Who's doin Meat Free Monday?

No matter what you may think of Sir Paul (or the eejit Ono wummin) - no arguin with the thinking behind this. Meat is a luxury the world can't afford.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environ...5/paul-mccartney-meat-free-monday
SengaMcp

Wur aw omnivores in wur hoose, no that we eat coo aw that often, s'maistly fish an chicken, ur duck, ur goose. We keep a few pigs an goats an eat thum noo an again. Maist ay wit we eat, we grow ur catch fur wursels. Wit little we dinna dae wursels we barter fur wi neeburs ur buy doon ra local street merkit. A s'pose thur's mebbe wan ur twa main meals a week is veggie.
dosser

Ah'll no' be botherin on the grounds that, although no' a vegimatarian, Ah dinnae really eat a lot o' meat. Ah prefer sea food annat.
notascot

Think I will have a tee bone steak & chips..why meat free day its not natural.
ayrshiretattie

dosser wrote:
Ah'll no' be botherin on the grounds that, although no' a vegimatarian, Ah dinnae really eat a lot o' meat. Ah prefer sea food annat.


Fush is aff as well. (And fish is meat...)

http://endoftheline.com/film/

http://www.sundayherald.com/oped/opinion/display.var.2514196.0.0.php

Crying or Very sad
SengaMcp

When Macca, taks his high moral stance seriously, an quits werrin leather shoes. Fan he sells aff five o his six hooses, pits solar panels oanra roof o ra remainin wan. Fan he quits flyin aw ower ra shop an sterts drivin a eco-freenly car, thus reducin his ain carbon footprint by a significant amount, then ah micht lissen tae him.

Till then, ah'll dae ma bit as ah see fit an ah'll eat wit ah damn well please.
ayrshiretattie

Hardly the point Senga. It's meat eaters insisting on eating what they damn well please that have got us to this completely ridiculous situation in the first place.

Like it or not, McCartney cannae help his wealth. He wrote songs and they sold an incredible amount. This has made & continues to make him a ton of money.

He needs to fly; the world wants to hear and see him, how else does he tour the songs?

He's a decent bloke who is doing what he can to do no harm.

How do you know his shoes are leather?
SengaMcp

There are far worse things polluting the earth than cow farts. In the scheme of things, that's a relatively minor source of carbon emissions. Cars, boats, planes, trains, power stations, fridges, freezers, washing machines, microwaves, TVs. All the paraphernalia of modern Western life. The list is endless and all these contribute far more than cows, it would be far more to the point if we all switched off one day a week and left the car in the garage.

I never said or in any way implied Macca doesn't deserve, or hasn't earned all he's got. I simply object to being preached at by someone who clearly hasn't thought it through and patently isn't living by his own rules. And as for his shoes, last time I saw him on telly (about a month ago) he was wearing a pair of Timberland walking boots, identical to the ones WSO has in his wardrobe, they're leather.
notascot

And how about the squillions of bison that used to roan the Prairies in US & Canada didnt they fart?
alba

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Wur aw omnivores in wur hoose, no that we eat coo aw that often, s'maistly fish an chicken, ur duck, ur goose. We keep a few pigs an goats an eat thum noo an again. Maist ay wit we eat, we grow ur catch fur wursels.


..ur mibbey rabbit stew...............SENGA SLAWTIRRS WEE BUNNIES.........
an then cooks thum up in ah big pot wey fish, chicken, we duckies an wee harmless goosies an hur pets.
Clash

Brilliant idea frae Macca: ah'm gonny fone him now.

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Eat sossidgesaneggs at Clash's on Monday
Become a vegetarian on Tuesday
Fey Hag

Och Dinna fash, ra Aussies are galloping to the rescue.

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Research scientists in Queensland are trying to exchange the stomachs of Kangaroos with the stomachs of cows in an effort to cut the methane output and increase the efficency of the food fed to cows. This seems to many a bit extreme and has some farmers laughing at the possibility, but in truth a large percentage of total emissions produced by Australia and New Zealand come from the farts of cows and sheep. Upwards of 14% in Australia and almost 50% in New Zealand, according to the Associated Press.
Laughing
ayrshiretattie

SengaMcp wrote:
There are far worse things polluting the earth than cow farts. In the scheme of things, that's a relatively minor source of carbon emissions.

I don't call 18% of global greenhouse gas emissions relatively minor. All from agriculture.

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Cars, boats, planes, trains, power stations, fridges, freezers, washing machines, microwaves, TVs. All the paraphernalia of modern Western life. The list is endless and all these contribute far more than cows, it would be far more to the point if we all switched off one day a week and left the car in the garage.


Agreed. However, the fact remains that current meat consumption is completely unsustainable. The simplicity of the facts is quite mindboggling, and this is one simple thing we can all do with absolutely no difficulty or inconvenience to ourselves.
Quite apart from the environmental factors, there are also the disgraceful facts of animal welfare in modern factory farming to consider.

There's no good reason not to at least consider doing this.

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I never said or in any way implied Macca doesn't deserve, or hasn't earned all he's got. I simply object to being preached at by someone who clearly hasn't thought it through and patently isn't living by his own rules.


What's to think through? If everyone in the west went meat free for one day a week, how much grain would that save? A quite incredible amount, that's how much. Tons of grain that we can eat, fed into animals to make only pounds of beef = does not compute. Completely unsustainable.
 
I believe McCartney does his best to live by his rules, which is all any of us can do - and I certainly don't think he's preaching.


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And as for his shoes, last time I saw him on telly (about a month ago) he was wearing a pair of Timberland walking boots, identical to the ones WSO has in his wardrobe, they're leather.

One man's choice of shoes is hardly the point. He is trying to do a good & immensely sensible thing here.
Fey Hag

Ah have always said ah wushed ah had nae got the taste for meat & if there was sitch a thing as reincarnation ah hoped ah wud no be a meat eater next time aroon.
Big cop oot ah know.

Ra best ah can do is ta ainly eat happy animals, just lyke we did on ra farm.
Nae factory farmed innything fer us.

Fer health sake we eat meat 3 days a week then ainly a small portion of ra best.

Ah agree we wur pa lAyrshiretattie; ra wurld canna grow enough grain ta feed ra teaming millions, feed meat animals & make bluidy ethanol.

Whar does that leave ra whater uv life?
SengaMcp

Think it through yersel annol Ayrie. Macca's aye tellin us we shuid gie up eatin meat, no just furra environment but awso cos it's crool tae animals. Fine, guid point, ah agree intensive farming methods are indeed crool. But awra time he's sayin ese things, wit's he werrin oan is feet? Leather shoon, an whaur dis leather come frae? That's richt, ra verra animules he says we shuidna be killin.

As ah said, ah'd be mair inclined tae lissen if he carried oot his intentions properly. His perceivable message is, it's no Ok tae eat thum, but it's fine tae werr thum.

The figures you quote for Oz an NZ are indicative of their relative population density. More people means more of other kinds of pollution and your point doesn't invalidate mine in the least. It would make a much bigger difference world wide, if we switched off one day a week than if we went without meat for a day. It would make a still greater difference if people used as much energy from renewable sources as possible. We do all we can, the roofs of our buildings all have solar panels on them and we take relatively little from the local grid. Most of the time they get power from us. I don''t know how it is in your neck of the woods, but there are grants available throughout most of Europe to help home owners make these and other environmental changes. I'm not sure what the situation is for social housing.

That's how we did it when we were rebuilding our home, it's also stuffed full of straw bales between the walls (straw is a great insulator), it's triple glazed and has under floor heating from hot water provided by the solar panels. Which also means we lose very little heat through the walls and roof. We are fortunate to have a small water mill between our families' two properties which we use to generate the rest of the power we need. We have a tank to store 'dirty water*' which is then used to flush the loos. We tried one of those earth toilets but I couldn't get past the fact that it looked sort of dirty. I prefer it when my porcelain looks as clean as it is.

* Saved from washing dishes and clothes, etc. There's a filter thing on the tank that keeps any bits out.

Apologies fur slippin inty English thur. Ah tend tae dae at fan ahmur oan ma hobby horse.
ayrshiretattie

Very Happy

OK. I am apparently attemptin to spread the word among a crowd who are already doin everything as best they can, (same as macca).

I wasn't aware of everybody's circumstances - and I also wasn't clear on who was down under & actually surrounded by self sufficiency. Youse all know each other from previous; I didn't.

I don't half envy you your lives, Fey & Senga.

I've been veggie 20+ years. I don't drive; have never driven. My house is small & I've only the basics in terms of gadgets - small telly, wireless, wee fridge, ancient washing machine. Laptop. I do what I can not to add to the ongoing mess.

For me, the main issue here is the plight of the critters. Factory farming is just a revolting, dismal industry that no-one in their right mind would want to contribute to.

I've long been all too aware that we can not and should not be raising & consuming meat in the ways we do. Thought it was worth runnin it up the flagpole here.

I wasn't expecting it to turn into a slagging of Macca. He's not the point.  Sad
Celyn

Me, I tend to dislike the thing of "This That or the Other Day", and I won't exactly bother with "Meat-Free Monday", as I have meat-free most days anyway.  In fact, any time I am shopping and think to myself "hmm, for all the difference it makes, why not just decide to be vegetarian?", it's THEN that I start thinking "Oh, no never again a bacon sandwich, never again tuna or some cold chicken or stuff ...."   All of which is stuff I hardly eat any of anyway, so it's just me being perverse.   So I'm a better vegetarian when I'm not vegetarian.  Oh well, I never claimed to be logical. Smile

What I can't stand, though, is the kind of eejit (and they do still exist) who insists that a vegetarian diet is not healthy enough, is somehow lacking in protein and all that nonsense.  No, no-one on this forum - it's a daft family member I have in mind here.
Celyn

ayrshiretattie wrote:
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I don't half envy you your lives, Fey & Senga...


Me annaw.   No garden here, and no goats and pigses and ducks.   Well, I suppose it would be pretty crowded wee house if I did.  Hmm, mibbe I should do a sort of Lord Byron thing and get a goat on the grounds that it probably is not specifically prohibited by the powers-that-be.     I think I might enjoy answering the door to christian evangelists or stupid telly licence eejits with a goats with horns beside me.   Ha!

ayrshiretattie wrote:
... Thought it was worth runnin it up the flagpole here.


I hope that's a flagpole made from ethically sourced and enironmentally sustainable wood. Smile
SengaMcp

Once again, I'm not attacking Macca. I have a great respect for the man and his musical achievements. I'm simply pointing out the gaping hole in his logic.
AG

It's no too many coos thit's the problem. It's too much shooman procreation.

Exponential shaggin.

ayrshiretattie

AG wrote:
It's no too many coos thit's the problem. It's too much shooman procreation.

Exponential shaggin.



That bit of course, goes withoot sayin, AG. Too many coos is, however, not not a problem.

What a weird wee species we've evolved into. Makin a midden of wir only habitat, as fast as possible, makin oorselves fat & ill or starving & ill as cheaply as possible, and knowin fine well that's exactly what we're doin.

Exclamation
AG

ayrshiretattie wrote:

What a weird wee species we've evolved into. Makin a midden of wir only habitat, as fast as possible, makin oorselves fat & ill or starving & ill as cheaply as possible, and knowin fine well that's exactly what we're doin.


"There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceit than this distant image". Carl Sagan

Pale Blue Dot
SengaMcp

The great Carl Sagan... Much missed.
Neil

Ah dinna ken fit Macca wears on his feet, but there are veggie Timberland beets oot there. Ah wear ither brands, aa veggie.
ayrshiretattie

Neil wrote:
Ah dinna ken fit Macca wears on his feet, but there are veggie Timberland beets oot there. Ah wear ither brands, aa veggie.

Cool
In the intrests o peece an harmonee, I didnae want to say so.... and although I cannae find them on the interweb (tho only after a two minute search), I know fine that Timberland makes non-leather ruffty tuffty boots.

...As I say tho, what one man chooses to wear on his feet disnae matter, in this case. And he's no preachin.
ayrshiretattie

Acht; don't make me think of Carl.

So much simple sense and soundness he spoke; now swamped, by so much non sense.
Fey Hag

Unmitagated greed is whits wrong.
Blatent theft in the name of development.
Reproduction drops dramaticly when you don't need children to provide for your auld age.
It's no too much shaggin fer reproduction; it's too much shaggin uv ra poplace by ra powers whit run ra puppets.

Hang ra puppet masters fra ra nearest lamp post. Wurld Peace ramorra.

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