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SengaMcp

Compassion

It's a puzzle to me why a convicted criminal, serving life should be released on 'compassionate' grounds because he's dying. If, as with Al Megrahi, there's a possibility he's actually innocent, the evidence should be presented at a new trial. Otherwise he should stay put, as should Ronnie Biggs have done. Age and/or illness do not excuse the crimes committed and should not affect the sentence served.

Biggs is no kind of hero, he and his cohorts were vicious thugs who thoroughly deserved the sentences handed down. Meanwhile Megrahi's supporters have had more than 20 years to present the evidence of his innocence and have failed to do so.

Is this another example of political correctness gone mad? Or maybe just cynical politicians seeking to display their 'humane' credentials?

If you think I'm being too harsh, substitute a name like Brady or Manson and then see how you feel.
Neil

I'm afraid, in the case of Megrahi, you are spikkin through yer airse. His supporters huv been presentin the evidence these past twinty years, it's the Crown that huz been blockin an delayin. It's nae unusual for a convicted murderer tae be released on bail while there's an appeal on the go. Al Megrahi huz such an appeal slowly grindin its wye through the system; faur too slow tae dae him ony guid in his ain lifetime so fit wye nae bail him so's he can at least die wi his faimly? Fit purpose diz it serve tae keep him lockit up til he draas his last breath? Fit will ye say if he wins his appeal posthumously?

Ronnie Biggs can rot in his cell.
notanimby

In this case am wae Neil.
Everycase should be treated individually.
Wae ra Libyan boy, the evidensh wiz hidden by ra govts(US/UK plus ithurs)
Ithur people huv admitted tae daein it, the Iranians and ra Syrians wurr ra orijinal suspeks and wurr probably ra wans whut dun it
Boudleaux C Merkin

I heard, on the news this morning, a chap - sorry couldn't catch his name - who insists that there was a break in to Heathrow airport on the fatal day. The court was not informed of this at the trial. If it had been then the case would probably have been stopped because it would have cast a big shadow of doubt on the convoluted manner which Al Megrahi  allegedley used to plant the bomb. If true, it's very worrying.
Neil

There are jist too many worryin aspects o this case for the conviction tae be considered safe. Ah'm afraid the Lockerbie stitch-up is a stain on the Scottish justice system.
Chookie

Myself, I think Megrahi was the fall guy, but not for Libya. There is a better than even chance that the destruction of PanAm 103 was a direct response to the shooting down of IranAir 655 by the USS Vincennes the previous year.
Heidy

Ahm wi Senga,but see if ye topped aw thon bastirts an ithers Ah cuild nemm  then ye widny huv aw iss bother............... Twisted Evil
Celyn

Do you want capital punishment back, Heidie?   Trouble is, it makes it a wee bit difficult to sort out when it turns out you've got the wrong guy, which has been known to happen, eh?

Megrahi?  Aye, let him go home.   I'm a bit more dubious about Biggs, though, although I *suppose* he's no danger any more.
Heidy

Life is cheap Celyn,look at aw the killin thats goin oan aw ower ra world these days...
Compare the grief an hassle not tae say cost o bein humane tae aw ra murduruurs an rapists etc that clog ra prison system nooadays....
SengaMcp

Being no danger isn't the point. Brady's not much of a danger these days either, but imagine the furore if he was let free. Biggs sat out in Brazil thumbing his nose at the law for years, he made a whole career out of it. He's despicable and should never have been freed.

As for the death penalty, I'm agin it for several reasons. First, too many innocent people have hung, or been sent to the chair and been 'pardoned' posthumously, I'd rather see the guilty live than let one innocent be executed. Second, executing someone makes us as bad as them, it's simply state sponsored murder. Third, it lets the guilty off too easy, I'd rather see them spend a lifetime in jail in spite of the cost. Murdering someone leaves those behind to suffer a lifetime of grief, why then should the killer not suffer too?

I had no idea Al Megrahi had been refused a retrail, I guess I'm out of touch with a lot that happens at home these days.

Just a thought, but I reckon there wouldn't be a problem with overcrowded prisons if non-violent offenders were tagged and required to do a few years community service instead of a custodial sentence. If someone's a thief or embezzler, seize their possessions and/or make them W*** off the value of what they stole in the community.
Fey Hag

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As for the death penalty, I'm agin it for several reasons. First, too many innocent people have hung, or been sent to the chair and been 'pardoned' posthumously, I'd rather see the guilty live than let one innocent be executed. Second, executing someone makes us as bad as them, it's simply state sponsored murder. Third, it lets the guilty off too easy, I'd rather see them spend a lifetime in jail in spite of the cost. Murdering someone leaves those behind to suffer a lifetime of grief, why then should the killer not suffer too?

Just a thought, but I reckon there wouldn't be a problem with overcrowded prisons if non-violent offenders were tagged and required to do a few years community service instead of a custodial sentence. If someone's a thief or embezzler, seize their possessions and/or make them W*** off the value of what they stole in the community.


Ok! ok!; ah ken aboot "quotes" bit a second readin here is no a bad thing seein as how ah agree we it big time Razz
Heidy

Live in prison aw ther lives or let thum die? Gie ra rellies ra choice an dont be so condescendin as tae stick ither views doon the bereaved's throats!
As fur " state sponsored murduur" gie ra relllies ra choice o daein it thumsels annaw...Ahm  sure the offir wid be took up in many cases........
swift

compassion/Senga:

The Choice:
Somewhere in the middle east, and am thinkin it is Saudi Arabia, the family of the victim has a say in whether the guilty are beheaded or sent tae gaol. Sounds guid until ye factor in "money". Its no many years ago that I was reading where the rich could buy off the family of the victim.
Seems tae me that the choice might have been "beheading" or release but mibee Boudleaux or Neil could shine a wee bit of light.
swift
Neil

This is worth a read.

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/...the_conspiricies_the_cover_up.php
SengaMcp

Naw Heids, whaivver did ra killin wid then be a killer annol. Wither it'sra state itsel urra victim's faimly. Witivver way ye luik at it it's still state sponsored murder.

Thanks Neil, ah'll awa an read thon.
Heidy

Weel ats obvious if yer definin killin folk as muurduur,but Ah me masel rekin its still preferibil tae aw they bastirts runnin aroon an thumbin ther noses at society when ther victims ur 6 fit unner,(or blawin in ra wind ) ye might say............
SengaMcp

Heids, d'ye wantae gae back an read thon again, it disny mak muckle sense? If thur locked up inna 6' by 8' cell fur life, thull no be thumbin thur noses at aybdy. If yer meanin fowk wit huvny bin cawt yet, weel... thur turn'll come.
Heidy

But Senga ats ra hing,ther NO locked up fur life,life nooadays means a coupla years if ther unlucky wi up tae hauf ra time aff fur "guid behavious"..evin ra "justice" system noo treats victims lifes like shyte...ra whole thing is a bad joke!
SengaMcp

So yer persnal solution is tae add taera mayhem an devalue life even further inra process?
notanimby

SengaMcp wrote:
So yer persnal solution is tae add taera mayhem an devalue life even further inra process?


Senga remembur tha Heidy is frae DUMBarton, itsa nithur planet there
Celyn

If we are still talking about Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, a poll in today's NorthBritishMan indicates 61% in favour of letting him out, and 39% against.

http://www.scotsman.com/







Edited to bother to put his full name in.
Neil

Celyn wrote:
Edited to bother to put his full name in.


That wiz verra respectfu an polite o ye, Celyn. Yer mammy wuid be proud o ye (if she kent fit ye were up tae).
Celyn

Hahah, Neil, my Mum hardly knows who I am, never mind long-named foreign blokes.   Laughing
notanimby

Ah see ra septik tanks ur in a bit of a tizzy noo

http://www.boycottscotland.com/

Lessins inra applications of justice frae ra yanks, oh ra irony
Celyn

Irony indeed.   Their moral high horse has no legs to stand on.    Mad
Fey Hag

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MacAskill said the decision was made because Scottish law required that "justice be served, but mercy be shown".


In a world where state sanctioned murder & torture are every day things.

This statement lifts my heart.
We who have been often shamed, can hold up our heads today.
Boudleaux C Merkin

A clever man/wumman wance said - or mibbe Ah dreamt it - forgive yer enemies, they fucken hate it.
If  al Megrahi wiz guilty - and as far as Ah'm concerned, there's a bit o' doubt aboot the vedict - then we were right tae let him go. Surely it's better to show the world - muslims especially -  that we have compassion, if not for the murderer, for his innocent relatives. Make him a martyr and how many of his brothers, cousins etc will follow the path of violence?
The man is dying so we were right tae let him go.
If he wiz a patsy then we were right tae let him go.

We were right tae let him go.
SengaMcp

Gaddafi thanks Brown for release!

Wit's fuggin Paw Broon got tae dae wi it?

Chookie

Inna wurd? Fuckaw.
Fey Hag

Bluidy Typical !!!

Spam Gaddafi ra dumb sod!
Soorploom

First off, keepin a terminally ill person in prison smacks of revenge; it has nothing to do with public safety or justice.

Secondly, merca an broon baith wantit him oot the way so that they could get oan wi the trade deals.

The SNP hud nae choice BUT tae let the bastirt oot.

Politics are a filthy slimy area and international politics are as low as human beings can sink. Ah spit oan aw involved in this disgustin charade.
Fey Hag

Soorie yea ken yir oats
ayrshiretattie

Confused

Not appreciating at all here that "Quick Life Insurance Get 70% Off" ad at the bottom of this page this evening....












Laughing  Wink


We did the right thing. There is a lot that it would seem was not dealt with at the trial and I for one don't think the verdict was right or the conviction safe - and I hope to heck that Megrahi throws a wee something into the mix before he kicks the bucket.

(Was going to say 'a wee explosive something' but, er... naw)

The families deserve the whole truth.

Not to mention the rest of the world... that has to use airplanes and who can't get it out of their heads that they fly now upon the whims of evil men in power & nutters with bombs.


Lockerbie. The word still makes me shudder. I wasn't close to it, I don't know anyone directly affected, but I was young, and devoured all the damnable & vicarious reporting in the newspapers at the time. Couldn't help myself; couldn't tear myself away from it. I've always had a vivid imagination, and I should have known better than to read the stuff, but didn't. Much of what I read was beyond horrifying and became hardwired into my head.

I still have nightmares & bad dreams, about that terrible night. A thousand curses upon the execrable tabloids.
alba

Ah jist poasted oan another threid an then saw this wan.

Thair a good bit of evidence, or lack thereof, tae indicate that the man might well be innocent. However, if he actually did dae it.........thairs nae wey in the wurld would ah let the bastirt oot oan compassionate grounds.

Plus ah wid use drugs and torture (folk songs annat) tae get him tae spill the beans oan eys ackcomplissies. I'd shoot water pistols at him annaw.
SengaMcp

Banjoes Alba. 30 secints o that wid get me confessin tae huvin buried Jimmy Hoffa, Lord Lucan an Shergar.
ayrshiretattie

alba wrote:
Plus ah wid use drugs and torture (folk songs annat) tae get him tae spill the beans oan eys ackcomplissies. I'd shoot water pistols at him annaw.


Nae need - he's more than up for wantin the beans spilt, by the looks of things...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8228219.stm

"...In his first interview since being released, Megrahi told The Herald: "I support the issue of a public inquiry if it can be agreed. In my view, it is unfair to the victim's families that this has not been heard. It would help them to know the truth. The truth never dies. If the UK guaranteed it, I would be very supportive." But Megrahi said he believed the UK government would avoid a public inquiry as it would cost a lot of money and also "show how much the Americans have been involved"."

"...Ms Adams said: "I think perhaps for those who are convinced of his guilt it seems interesting that he would back that [an inquiry] and he would hand over the papers he has and the documents he has.

"That seems quite an interesting position from his point of view, because that would indicate he has nothing to hide." "
Boudleaux C Merkin

It's extraordinary how often the truth behind events come to light. It might take decades but the truth will often out. Ah'm still waitin' fur JFK's killers tae be outed.  Cool
Fey Hag

Have you tried this'n
Boudleaux C Merkin

Och, everywan knows it wiz the mafia. That wee bugger Heidie wiz up tae his bloodstained zimmer frame in it. Twisted Evil
AG

Dae'in aw the ums
Celyn

Boo!  Now you're undone!
Fey Hag

Ra quality uv mercy is sumwhit strained.
swift

compassion/Senga:

Boudleaux:
jist ran across the quote by Wilde, "always forgive your enemies---nothing annoys them so much".
swift

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