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Celyn



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:05 pm    Post subject: Hadrian's Wall  Reply with quote

A Tory M.P. (who otherwise seems like a well-travelled and interesting chap) has a cunning plan to get 100,000 people to gather, bearing torches, along Hadrian's Wall in order to persuade Scotland to vote "no".

“A Tory MP is planning to recruit 100,000 English activists to make a human chain along Hadrian’s Wall bearing torches in a bid to convince Scots to vote No in September.

Rory Stewart said the initiative, called Hands Across the Border, is an emotional appeal to Scots to remain within the Union.

The Penrith and Border MP, who is half-Scottish, said the campaign would ‘symbolise holding the Union together..."

More at:   http://wingsoverscotland.com/100000-green-bottles/#more-49363

or   http://www.scotsman.com/news/poli...nion-torch-protest-plan-1-3296462


Hadrian's Wall is, of course, entirely in England:  it is not a border.       Laughing

Apart from the sheer daftness of the idea, I don't think that amount of people walking around on it would be very good for the Wall itself in terms of conservation of old Roman thingies.    Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Hadrian's Wall Reply with quote

Celyn wrote:
A Tory M.P. (who otherwise seems like a well-travelled and interesting chap) has a cunning plan to get 100,000 people to gather, bearing torches, along Hadrian's Wall in order to persuade Scotland to vote "no".

“A Tory MP is planning to recruit 100,000 English activists to make a human chain along Hadrian’s Wall bearing torches in a bid to convince Scots to vote No in September.

Rory Stewart said the initiative, called Hands Across the Border, is an emotional appeal to Scots to remain within the Union.

The Penrith and Border MP, who is half-Scottish, said the campaign would ‘symbolise holding the Union together..."

More at:   http://wingsoverscotland.com/100000-green-bottles/#more-49363

or   http://www.scotsman.com/news/poli...nion-torch-protest-plan-1-3296462


Hadrian's Wall is, of course, entirely in England:  it is not a border.       Laughing

Apart from the sheer daftness of the idea, I don't think that amount of people walking around on it would be very good for the Wall itself in terms of conservation of old Roman thingies.    Rolling Eyes



By 90 miles at some points - another clue for the dumbo MP is that Wallsend is part of Newcastle

No doubt they'll be singing Land of Dopes and Tories
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pipedoon wrote:
Ur yea still gonnae have the queens mush on yir coins?  
Efter aw, she's still heed of state.  Or, wull yae hae Salmond's  big baw face oan thum.

Rolling Eyes


Its rather obvious a couple of rather simplistic points have escaped yer notice....

1) the monarchy in Scotland is a separate entity to the one souf of ra border. Hence why Betty is onlyQE1 up here, her title is Queen of Scots not Queen of Scotland.

2) after independence and our irst general election, how the fuck dae you know that SNP will be the government, or indeed Salmond will stil head it up,? Are you a forchoon teller, if so I would give it up as yer pish at it?

3) after independence Scotland can decide many things for itself, like being a republic, being whatever the UK we want to be, the people can decide that.

It's not rocket science, I would have thought any imbecile could grasp that,  but then again you must be a unionist................
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking as an outsider nota.... what dae you think of the human race?

And as fur you pipey: I like the cut of yer jib but you've got tae admit that nota's statement that "the Monarchy in Scotland is a separate entity tae the wan in England" left you a wee bit worried.

Because I live in Orstrilia I canny mind who the monarch is in Scotland chust at the moment but I'm sure you can tell me nota.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clash wrote:
Talking as an outsider nota.... what dae you think of the human race?

And as fur you pipey: I like the cut of yer jib but you've got tae admit that nota's statement that "the Monarchy in Scotland is a separate entity tae the wan in England" left you a wee bit worried.

Because I live in Orstrilia I canny mind who the monarch is in Scotland chust at the moment but I'm sure you can tell me nota.


Did ye miss me saying Betty? Wiz that because yer upside doon?

The position of monarch is separate in Scotland from souf of the border, it just happens that efter James VI became king of engerlandshire then they have been the same person.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pipedoon wrote:
I never referred to Betty as being kween of Scotland, did I!  I rightly said she is heed o state.
If yae want tae get technical, yes she is kween ae Scots. Who give a shite, ffs.

I am not interested in the royals, I am not a unionist, I don't vote not more. I am sick and tired of corrupt politicians ruining everything they get their greedy, grubby fists oan.

No, its not about telling the future of Scotland, it's about being, mature,  worldly wise and using your intelligence, which Salmond lacks.


Salmond has confirmed that Scotland cannot have its own currency, the cost would be astronomical. So, an independent Scotland will be still tied to the monetary and tax policy set by Westmintser! What a farce!


Salmond has confirmed fuck all about whither Scotland can huv its ain currency or not, all he has confirmed is that it is SNP policy to go for a currency union.

You obviously missed the bit above aboot being efter independence, we'll be having an election to elect a government, in 2016 I believe.

Are you able to supply this coming Saturdays winning lottery numbers, as you seem awfy sure wae yer forchoon tellin, in that Salmond and the SNP will win that election?

As mentioned above ( you would dae well to actually read posts all the way through, before letting yer knee jerk so much that it upsets yer computer causing ye to type complete shite.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody hell!

I'd already heard about Alex Salmond's cannibalism and fourteen seperate convictions for unlawful carnal knowledge of daffodils, but I am trully shocked by the news that he's a bit left-wing and pro-Europe just like about 95% of people in Scotland.

What else the lying fat bastard keeping quiet about? I bet it turns out he's not even really English.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pipedoon wrote:
You want to be free, how bizarre that Scotland wants to be Free, and then re enter the EU as a German colony like Ireland and other countries. And how has it worked out for them,???? Not to clever eh??? Salmond is now just a comedian and his arguements are in tatters and the older and more mature Scots see and understand this.

Salmond is a Marxist and has never given up his Marxist beliefs, so of course he will want to stay in the Marxist EU , which is of course trying to bring about a permanent revolution in Europe.  
The latest scam it's up to is to legally require every EU citizen to cough up full financial and property details.  How anyone can support this dictatorship is utterly beyond me.


As for currency union, this is utter nonsense!  The SNP would dearly love their own currency, because that would mean they would get real financial independence, and what is the point of being so called independent if you do not have financial independence and control over your own tax, finance and monetary policy.  But they cannot afford it and all this hot air about oil revenues cannot come anywhere near the astronomical cost of Scotland setting up its own currency and also making all the other adjustments on the world financial markets.

Salmond is just an oversized liar.

Guid luck wae that!


Salmond is a marxist - well fuck me, how have I missed that efter all these years - have you informed him? Because he, himself obviously doesn't have the insight into himself that you obviously have.

But wait a wee minute - do you even have a fuckin clue what a marxist is?  You need to understand that its fuck all to do with those zany comedians the MArx brothers, I know Salmond likes a wee joke noo and again and loves to rip the pish oota johann Lamont but he isnt Grouch Marx - the lack of a moustache  should have given the game away to you, but there you go insightful notice of teh fuckin obvious doesnt appear to be one of yer few strongpoints.

Have you failed to notice that the UK is @ £1.4 TRILLION in debt that merr thna Ireland, Spain, and Greece combined, any clues on how westmonster is gonnae pay that aff
Ireland is now out of recession and growing swiftly


Do you ever stop and wonder why Norway ( who discovered oil at same tiem as UK) have a @£700 BILLION oild fund, highest quality of life in world, highest happiness rating etc etc etc  whilst us in your wonderful UK have foodbanks?

And you worry that independence may cost a few bob - we can use any internationally traded currency we like, even Sterling, theres fuck all the remaining UK can do to stop that - It may also have escaped your notice but other countries who became independent of teh UK continued to use or align their currencies to sterling until starting their ain wan

In amongst what appear to be your continually growing ignorance level.......is teh Isle of Man, they're in a currency union with rUK, so are the channel islands - but maybe they are failing miserably and just haven't tellt anywan yet.


P.S It may be worth yer while going and reading up on Marxist theory before bumpin yer gums again on the subject.

P.P.S. Ur ye Nigel Farage in disguise.........?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pipedoon wrote:
notanimby wrote:
pipedoon wrote:
You want to be free, how bizarre that Scotland wants to be Free, and then re enter the EU as a German colony like Ireland and other countries. And how has it worked out for them,???? Not to clever eh??? Salmond is now just a comedian and his arguements are in tatters and the older and more mature Scots see and understand this.

Salmond is a Marxist and has never given up his Marxist beliefs, so of course he will want to stay in the Marxist EU , which is of course trying to bring about a permanent revolution in Europe.  
The latest scam it's up to is to legally require every EU citizen to cough up full financial and property details.  How anyone can support this dictatorship is utterly beyond me.


As for currency union, this is utter nonsense!  The SNP would dearly love their own currency, because that would mean they would get real financial independence, and what is the point of being so called independent if you do not have financial independence and control over your own tax, finance and monetary policy.  But they cannot afford it and all this hot air about oil revenues cannot come anywhere near the astronomical cost of Scotland setting up its own currency and also making all the other adjustments on the world financial markets.

Salmond is just an oversized liar.

Guid luck wae that!


Salmond is a marxist - well fuck me, how have I missed that efter all these years - have you informed him? Because he, himself obviously doesn't have the insight into himself that you obviously have.

But wait a wee minute - do you even have a fuckin clue what a marxist is?  You need to understand that its fuck all to do with those zany comedians the MArx brothers, I know Salmond likes a wee joke noo and again and loves to rip the pish oota johann Lamont but he isnt Grouch Marx - the lack of a moustache  should have given the game away to you, but there you go insightful notice of teh fuckin obvious doesnt appear to be one of yer few strongpoints.

Have you failed to notice that the UK is @ £1.4 TRILLION in debt that merr thna Ireland, Spain, and Greece combined, any clues on how westmonster is gonnae pay that aff
Ireland is now out of recession and growing swiftly


Do you ever stop and wonder why Norway ( who discovered oil at same tiem as UK) have a @£700 BILLION oild fund, highest quality of life in world, highest happiness rating etc etc etc  whilst us in your wonderful UK have foodbanks?

And you worry that independence may cost a few bob - we can use any internationally traded currency we like, even Sterling, theres fuck all the remaining UK can do to stop that - It may also have escaped your notice but other countries who became independent of teh UK continued to use or align their currencies to sterling until starting their ain wan

In amongst what appear to be your continually growing ignorance level.......is teh Isle of Man, they're in a currency union with rUK, so are the channel islands - but maybe they are failing miserably and just haven't tellt anywan yet.


P.S It may be worth yer while going and reading up on Marxist theory before bumpin yer gums again on the subject.

P.P.S. Ur ye Nigel Farage in disguise.........?





The UK debt issue is certainly very serious.  This has come about through huge numbers of people thinking they can get something for nothing, that house prices can defy the law of gravity, and that they were aided and abetted  in this by the banks.   How do we get out of it?
If you want my own personal view it is that basically Europe and the US are bankrupt and the worst finacial shape they have been in, worse even that 1929 to 31.  I guess we can't have any more wars because we are running out of enemies, apart from the Jihadists.  These are issues wildly more important than whether Scotland gets a kind of nominal independence or not.  
In case you hadn't noticed, Scotland happens to be a part of the rest of the world.  Personally again, I would think it is better being off being part of the UK because when the big storms occur , the little men have a habit of being washed away.

So far as Marxisms is concerned, Britain and the EU are largely Leftist. But Marxism can be defined as a desire for a kind of continuous cultural revolution.  So, for instance things like so called gay marriage is a Marxist policy, because it denies there is such a thing as western Christian culture, which only and ever defines marraige as between one man and one woman and says that  there can be a union between the same genders.  
The paradox with Salmond of course, is that he bangs the drum for Scottish language , borders and culture, but that he is utterly sold out on the Marxist institution of the EU, that hates everything that European culture stands for, and particularly its Christian base, and is determined to destroy it in favour of the revolution.

Anyone who believes we are not undergoing a cultural revolution that is marxist based is, simply, a fool and needs to read more and stop watching the propaganda on the television.


As jeezo, yer a rabid christianist noo, you'll find that nowadays most people don't give a shit aboot religion, less probably give a shit aboot Christian culture

A Marxist revolution is happening, eh? Ur ye sure, coz I cannae se any signs of it

Are ye sure its no' them other bogeymen, the illuminati, maybe even the masons or the (whisper) Jews
Maybe thon EU folks are running aboot in black helicopters hiding an alien invasion tae.

Another thing, smaller countries have got through the crash better than the UK, the list is almost endless

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland

Oh Lordy how did they manage without being controlled from Westminster.

When are you going to mention the upcoming plague of locusts that will appen after independence?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huv you two kunts ever thought about applying fur a job in diplomacy?

Ah'm assuming wan o you is a proddie and the other is a fenian?

Good rammy though. I wish I had an idea whit the fuck you're talking about.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clash wrote:
Huv you two kunts ever thought about applying fur a job in diplomacy?

Ah'm assuming wan o you is a proddie and the other is a fenian?

Good rammy though. I wish I had an idea whit the fuck you're talking about.


proddy ur a fenian?

cannae speak fur pipeblock but ah dinnae follow fitba.............

Its because yer upside doon ye cann unnerstaun
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pipedoon wrote:
...
Salmond is a Marxist and has never given up his Marxist beliefs, so of course he will want to stay in the Marxist EU , which is of course trying to bring about a permanent revolution in Europe.  


Eh?  Oh , all right, if you say so.  Just keep calm and keep taking the tablets.


pipedoon wrote:
...
As for currency union, this is utter nonsense!  The SNP would dearly love their own currency...
.

I am pretty sure the SNP is not a country, you know.

pipedoon wrote:
...  But they cannot afford it and all this hot air about oil revenues cannot come anywhere near the astronomical cost of Scotland setting up its own currency and also making all the other adjustments on the world financial markets.


Scotland is the largest oil producer in Europe, after all.  I think EW&NI will notice the lack of oil money rather soon.

pipedoon wrote:
...Salmond is just an oversized liar.


Well, I don't think he is a liar, but I should be fascinated to know what, in your view, is the right and proper size for a liar.  Alasdair Darling?  David Cameron?  Johann Lamont?  George Osborne?    Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonnae remind me, somebody.......... My memory's no' whit it was.

There was an earlier referendum in (I think) the early eighties.

I thought it was a vote about full independence but somebody I was talking to reckoned it was only a vote on whether we should have our own Assembly.

It was a Yes vote, but because only about 25% of the electorate voted at all, the Wicked Witch o' Grantham decided to move the goalposts and disregard it. There wiz no' blood on the pavement, however.......... no' that time, at least.

Anyways, cuild somebody remind me whit the question wiz back then. Wiz it indepence or jist a assembly?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:30 pm    Post subject: "no", nothing Reply with quote

It was for an Assembly.    This is the first time there has been a referendum on independence.   In 1979, with a turnout of 63.8%, "yes" had the majority, but because of the 40% rule letting dead people vote as long as they voted "no", nothing came of it.

And it wasn't the wicked witch of Grantham who made the rule. She was in opposition then, and it was a Labour government, with an amendment put forward by the Labour M.P. George Cunningham, that put into place this 40% rule.   The majority of the poll was FOR devolution, but because of the 40% thing, there was none.      Evil or Very Mad

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