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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Compassion  Reply with quote

It's a puzzle to me why a convicted criminal, serving life should be released on 'compassionate' grounds because he's dying. If, as with Al Megrahi, there's a possibility he's actually innocent, the evidence should be presented at a new trial. Otherwise he should stay put, as should Ronnie Biggs have done. Age and/or illness do not excuse the crimes committed and should not affect the sentence served.

Biggs is no kind of hero, he and his cohorts were vicious thugs who thoroughly deserved the sentences handed down. Meanwhile Megrahi's supporters have had more than 20 years to present the evidence of his innocence and have failed to do so.

Is this another example of political correctness gone mad? Or maybe just cynical politicians seeking to display their 'humane' credentials?

If you think I'm being too harsh, substitute a name like Brady or Manson and then see how you feel.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid, in the case of Megrahi, you are spikkin through yer airse. His supporters huv been presentin the evidence these past twinty years, it's the Crown that huz been blockin an delayin. It's nae unusual for a convicted murderer tae be released on bail while there's an appeal on the go. Al Megrahi huz such an appeal slowly grindin its wye through the system; faur too slow tae dae him ony guid in his ain lifetime so fit wye nae bail him so's he can at least die wi his faimly? Fit purpose diz it serve tae keep him lockit up til he draas his last breath? Fit will ye say if he wins his appeal posthumously?

Ronnie Biggs can rot in his cell.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this case am wae Neil.
Everycase should be treated individually.
Wae ra Libyan boy, the evidensh wiz hidden by ra govts(US/UK plus ithurs)
Ithur people huv admitted tae daein it, the Iranians and ra Syrians wurr ra orijinal suspeks and wurr probably ra wans whut dun it
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard, on the news this morning, a chap - sorry couldn't catch his name - who insists that there was a break in to Heathrow airport on the fatal day. The court was not informed of this at the trial. If it had been then the case would probably have been stopped because it would have cast a big shadow of doubt on the convoluted manner which Al Megrahi  allegedley used to plant the bomb. If true, it's very worrying.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are jist too many worryin aspects o this case for the conviction tae be considered safe. Ah'm afraid the Lockerbie stitch-up is a stain on the Scottish justice system.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Myself, I think Megrahi was the fall guy, but not for Libya. There is a better than even chance that the destruction of PanAm 103 was a direct response to the shooting down of IranAir 655 by the USS Vincennes the previous year.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahm wi Senga,but see if ye topped aw thon bastirts an ithers Ah cuild nemm  then ye widny huv aw iss bother............... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you want capital punishment back, Heidie?   Trouble is, it makes it a wee bit difficult to sort out when it turns out you've got the wrong guy, which has been known to happen, eh?

Megrahi?  Aye, let him go home.   I'm a bit more dubious about Biggs, though, although I *suppose* he's no danger any more.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Life is cheap Celyn,look at aw the killin thats goin oan aw ower ra world these days...
Compare the grief an hassle not tae say cost o bein humane tae aw ra murduruurs an rapists etc that clog ra prison system nooadays....
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being no danger isn't the point. Brady's not much of a danger these days either, but imagine the furore if he was let free. Biggs sat out in Brazil thumbing his nose at the law for years, he made a whole career out of it. He's despicable and should never have been freed.

As for the death penalty, I'm agin it for several reasons. First, too many innocent people have hung, or been sent to the chair and been 'pardoned' posthumously, I'd rather see the guilty live than let one innocent be executed. Second, executing someone makes us as bad as them, it's simply state sponsored murder. Third, it lets the guilty off too easy, I'd rather see them spend a lifetime in jail in spite of the cost. Murdering someone leaves those behind to suffer a lifetime of grief, why then should the killer not suffer too?

I had no idea Al Megrahi had been refused a retrail, I guess I'm out of touch with a lot that happens at home these days.

Just a thought, but I reckon there wouldn't be a problem with overcrowded prisons if non-violent offenders were tagged and required to do a few years community service instead of a custodial sentence. If someone's a thief or embezzler, seize their possessions and/or make them W*** off the value of what they stole in the community.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for the death penalty, I'm agin it for several reasons. First, too many innocent people have hung, or been sent to the chair and been 'pardoned' posthumously, I'd rather see the guilty live than let one innocent be executed. Second, executing someone makes us as bad as them, it's simply state sponsored murder. Third, it lets the guilty off too easy, I'd rather see them spend a lifetime in jail in spite of the cost. Murdering someone leaves those behind to suffer a lifetime of grief, why then should the killer not suffer too?

Just a thought, but I reckon there wouldn't be a problem with overcrowded prisons if non-violent offenders were tagged and required to do a few years community service instead of a custodial sentence. If someone's a thief or embezzler, seize their possessions and/or make them W*** off the value of what they stole in the community.


Ok! ok!; ah ken aboot "quotes" bit a second readin here is no a bad thing seein as how ah agree we it big time Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Live in prison aw ther lives or let thum die? Gie ra rellies ra choice an dont be so condescendin as tae stick ither views doon the bereaved's throats!
As fur " state sponsored murduur" gie ra relllies ra choice o daein it thumsels annaw...Ahm  sure the offir wid be took up in many cases........
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: compassion/Senga: Reply with quote

The Choice:
Somewhere in the middle east, and am thinkin it is Saudi Arabia, the family of the victim has a say in whether the guilty are beheaded or sent tae gaol. Sounds guid until ye factor in "money". Its no many years ago that I was reading where the rich could buy off the family of the victim.
Seems tae me that the choice might have been "beheading" or release but mibee Boudleaux or Neil could shine a wee bit of light.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is worth a read.

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/...the_conspiricies_the_cover_up.php
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naw Heids, whaivver did ra killin wid then be a killer annol. Wither it'sra state itsel urra victim's faimly. Witivver way ye luik at it it's still state sponsored murder.

Thanks Neil, ah'll awa an read thon.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weel ats obvious if yer definin killin folk as muurduur,but Ah me masel rekin its still preferibil tae aw they bastirts runnin aroon an thumbin ther noses at society when ther victims ur 6 fit unner,(or blawin in ra wind ) ye might say............
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heids, d'ye wantae gae back an read thon again, it disny mak muckle sense? If thur locked up inna 6' by 8' cell fur life, thull no be thumbin thur noses at aybdy. If yer meanin fowk wit huvny bin cawt yet, weel... thur turn'll come.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Senga ats ra hing,ther NO locked up fur life,life nooadays means a coupla years if ther unlucky wi up tae hauf ra time aff fur "guid behavious"..evin ra "justice" system noo treats victims lifes like shyte...ra whole thing is a bad joke!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So yer persnal solution is tae add taera mayhem an devalue life even further inra process?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SengaMcp wrote:
So yer persnal solution is tae add taera mayhem an devalue life even further inra process?


Senga remembur tha Heidy is frae DUMBarton, itsa nithur planet there

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